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Play On Each Server?
Posted by UnderCover, 5624 days, 22 hours and 2 minutes ago
Category: Utopia Announcements
Today in the Utopia Bugs & Suggestions forum, Mehul divulged the possibility of Swirve legalizing 'server-multis', and asked for the opinion of the playing public. If Swirve decides to make the change at some stage in the future, players would be allowed to keep a province on both the WoL and BF servers, without risk of deletion.

As a side-effect of the change, kingdoms would no longer be transferred between servers, meaning each server would become the permanent home for their respective kingdoms regardless of size or strength. Battlefields would also be opened up for new players wishing to join an established kingdom.

Public opinion so far seems to indicate approval of the idea, but is far from unanimous. We will have to wait and see whether or not Swirve goes ahead with the plan.

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MegaSmilax
(Posted as Ice Pick)
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(20-Jun-2004 11:36 am)
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Nice!
Burningboy
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(20-Jun-2004 11:42 am)
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good idea, but im not too sure about the whole, not being able to transfer between servers thing now. itd make BF less competitve, certainly.

would save a LOT of accidental deletions though
Blue7
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(20-Jun-2004 11:49 am)
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bad idea like BB said it would make BF less competitve and that would be a great down side :/
moazeem
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(20-Jun-2004 11:49 am)
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erm should be good
madmaarten
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(20-Jun-2004 11:52 am)
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i find it a good idea

mainly because it's easier to test a strategy that fits to you

if you want to see what race works best for you you have to wait a full round to test another :p
Elvens
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(20-Jun-2004 11:58 am)
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i m dreaming ???
best idea , mehul, so far....
D U K E
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(20-Jun-2004 12:01 pm)
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I think it should be allowed but there should be made oe thing illigel.
For ex:
If you play on WoL and BF and then your WoL gets transfered to BF then you gotta chose one KD you wanna play in... and if you play both then DELETE then it will be for people to chose which KD is more orgnized and better fitted for the person... IT would make people leave and change KD's which would bring some diversity to the KD's, meaning, some experianced player quits a KD which got moved from WoL or to WoL and he/she already had an acc in WoL/BF so he player whould have to chose which acc to keep and the other delete. and if the person wants he can recreated his acc in the other server...
Shagmeister
(Posted as F Demon)
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(20-Jun-2004 12:22 pm)
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Very nice Idea.. i like it!
shaneo2003
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(20-Jun-2004 12:32 pm)
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Would be brillent!
alugeris
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(20-Jun-2004 12:32 pm)
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DUKE, go read the article again.
RAstyoum
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(20-Jun-2004 12:32 pm)
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nice..
rock2003
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(20-Jun-2004 12:48 pm)
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good idea
Drezliok
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(20-Jun-2004 12:55 pm)
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No, I don't like it.

I like to build a strong kingdom in WoL and have it moved to BF to test our abilities. I don't want to join 2 kingdoms on 2 differnt servers, I really don't understand why anyone would want to play on Gen and WoL or Gen and BF anyways. So why play on Wol and BF?

Waste of time if you ask me.
ownuall
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(20-Jun-2004 12:57 pm)
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i don't understand how kingdoms couldn't be shuffled anymore after the accounts on both server idea is implemented. Why couldn't mehul exchange kingdoms?
Mad Sicko Head
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(20-Jun-2004 12:57 pm)
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Bad idea, next thing you know people can choose their kd's. I think it's already good the way it is.
Dave1
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(20-Jun-2004 01:15 pm)
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Ownuall

Because than if you have 1 account on BF, and 1 account on WoL, and your WoL KD shuffles over to BF, than you end up with 2 account on BF.

And it is a bad idea. They had that before though. I play on BF, but than people on WoL will create second accounts on BF, but will hardly attend to that account so competitiveness would ease up than which sucks. But maybe we would have more full KDs instead of the common 15-19 players.
Bugiman
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(20-Jun-2004 01:24 pm)
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Bad Idea!
It'll make both servers full of n00bs.
killkurt
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(20-Jun-2004 01:25 pm)
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Kingdoms would no longer ever be transferred between servers. Instead, players would remain on the server they are on at all times.

it aint bad
Steinlager
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(20-Jun-2004 01:28 pm)
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agree with bugiman. will just end up with people focusing more on one account which will leave a lot of inactives everywhere and will just generally lower the quality of BF...

would the kingdoms still be shuffled within their server? so, would they keep the same KD number every age?
rimaru2
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(20-Jun-2004 01:28 pm)
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bad ideea for race testing there is already genesis, hope mehul leaves things as thy are
mafioso
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(20-Jun-2004 01:32 pm)
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good idea !!
BarfBag
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(20-Jun-2004 02:05 pm)
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Terrible Idea.
cross17
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(20-Jun-2004 02:06 pm)
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I disagree...It's fine the way it is...keeps people playing longer...if you have account in all three servers then people get bored of the game and get confused about who is who and what is what. Then people get alliances dominating both WoL and BF while they have the same kingdom in both servers. I love the game, but not enough to play in WoL, BF and Gen all at the same time. The way it is puts people in there right area of skill and acivity...changing it would increase the number of inactives and turn into a hastle.
Lunex
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(20-Jun-2004 02:09 pm)
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Well, since things are not quite the same on Gen as it is on BF / WoL, he should just forget this idea and make Gen an exact copy with shorter rounds, that would give us a "test" server, and keep WoL/Bf seperated..
Also, I like the idea on people starting on WoL, learn how to play and THEN go to the more experienced Bf server..
so Mehul.. BAD Idea.. Sry..
skiies23
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(20-Jun-2004 02:22 pm)
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Hmmm... Good idea, and bad idea...

Mehul, do you really want to grant the cheaters what they really want???

I vote no, because this will give reason for those who have 1 on each account to start making multiples on each account, because they will believe that will be allowed as well...
skiies23
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(20-Jun-2004 02:29 pm)
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Also, proving a bad idea, a player will stick with a better kingdom, and then decide not to log in with the worse of the two... Though there will be good kingdoms on each server, there will be many more kingdoms torn apart by inactivity, thus making the game that much appealing to a new comer... and that is the last thing we want, if Mehul would agree! =)
skiies23
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(20-Jun-2004 02:29 pm)
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Sorry, I meant to put 'unappealing'... oops!
Neverynnal
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(20-Jun-2004 02:47 pm)
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This is a horrible idea. WoL has always been like a training ground before going into the BF. BF is competitive and it'd be sad to see none of the potentially good kingdoms in the WoL never make it to the BF. Bad idea :/
Inhale
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(20-Jun-2004 03:31 pm)
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I dont like it, though sure I Want to play multiple accounts I dont want to see the same kingdom on both WoL and BF, because you know thats what would happen
Harlond
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(20-Jun-2004 03:48 pm)
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bad idea!!!

it will burt both WoL and BF.....BF will b less competitive and WoL will b useless couse many BF provs will fill up WoL with useless testing provs :/
kazkarak
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(20-Jun-2004 04:08 pm)
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That is bullshit. Allowing both wol and BF accounts sounds just great. I mean On GF I am a feary atm. When I will be allowed to go on Wol I'd be able to try that human warrior I want to test.
bokep
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(20-Jun-2004 04:17 pm)
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Since the issue is about the less busy BF server, the appropriate way is to make BF server busier.

To maintain the same taste, or even enhance it, how about this:
Players in WOL can upgrade to BF at ANY TIME during the round proved they are worthy enough ... maybe after hit 0.5 Mill NW or attain Count above or any criterion

This would make BF competitive ... province-wise while keep replenishing it with new good players.

However, the swapping database at any time may have security issue tho
Frederick
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(20-Jun-2004 04:52 pm)
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I think its good as it is. It doesnt need change. Besides, i like the idea of having a 'good' server and a 'not-so-good' server. So people get changed and stuff. It makes the competition better.
Dead Canaanite
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(20-Jun-2004 05:08 pm)
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Bad idea, leave it how it is. I just deleted my Gen account, because BF was too much to handle. What's the point of two servers if they are both the same? It was always nice to see that your KD "made" BF. Mehul, save money and DOWNgrade your servers if they're so freaking great.
Big Y
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(20-Jun-2004 05:17 pm)
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i would like it to be allowed.

Some people that think they can't handle their single account and want more of utopia (wol/bf)should be allowed another account in another server.
If people don't want to have a 2nd account...what do they care? it won't hurt them thats for sure.
ghostlm2002
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(20-Jun-2004 05:41 pm)
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Definetly bad ideea ! The activity will drop considerably on both servers and kingdoms will suffer enourmosly !
Cheaters whould love it...but not us !
For testing ...their is always the genesis server ! Their will be no competition anymore...i whould quit utopia ! It will all became messy !
Think only at direct consequinces !
IWantUrMomOnMy
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(20-Jun-2004 06:11 pm)
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Good idea. Less competitive or not.
swordmar
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(20-Jun-2004 06:25 pm)
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I agree, if your in a KD in the BF.. and you get a few provs deleted, it takes the whole age trying to get KD back up to full size on BF.. On WOL, theres always new provs coming in.. and will fill up both servers nicely. The more players, the better... and hopefully give people less incentive to multi.
Kaiser7
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(20-Jun-2004 07:48 pm)
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I like bokeps idea. If you had to reach a goal, honor, land or networth before going over to bf it would sort out the horde of noobs that everyone seems to be so afraid of.
chibiray
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(20-Jun-2004 07:59 pm)
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i think its not a good idea. as much as i'd like ot have another account since utopia is so fun..it would make WoL tougher..and maybe even make BF more noobish.

like in BF, eventually, the really good guys would gather together into one super kingdom in WoL and totally dominate, not allowing the newer players to get better. these newer players would get destroyed even while playing in the "easier" server.
Anduril TR
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(20-Jun-2004 08:23 pm)
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lousy idea. boo.
zakky
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(20-Jun-2004 08:39 pm)
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Very good idea. Double the pleasure. Double the fun. I just hope it becomes affective before the new round starts. Hopefully mehul will post tomrorow that it is in affect.
Dead Canaanite
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(20-Jun-2004 08:49 pm)
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If this goes through, Mehul might as well create those crappy races everyone comes up with in the forums.
Shadow Storm
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(20-Jun-2004 09:18 pm)
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it's really nice!! we could keep a province on each server, enabling us to interact with more people
Blade825
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(20-Jun-2004 10:00 pm)
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i think its a great idea... not being able to transfer is not a prob... as u have 2 accounts.. i hope mehul will start on it right away!
Lord Eightball
(Posted as Kaer Eightball)
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(20-Jun-2004 10:02 pm)
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It will certainly benefit some and hurt some. As for an overall positive or negative effect, I'm not sure, only time will tell...
Drunken Penguin
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(20-Jun-2004 10:26 pm)
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Horrible, gen would then die.... it isn't easy with 2 accounts, but 3!! never.

I hope mehul doesn't think so seriously about it
tibike77
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(20-Jun-2004 10:57 pm)
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Big no.

Disregarding aspects regarding cheating/scripting/etc, the primoary concern is player interest.

If you have a honest player in 2 KDs (case of genesis and one normal server), activity is decreased on both.

MERGE BF and WOL into a single large server... if possible. That's the solution.
iroi
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(20-Jun-2004 11:13 pm)
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tt's a good solution, mergin e 2 servers
Haddaway
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(20-Jun-2004 11:23 pm)
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This is not a good idea.

I think we all agree that activity is the key to becoming good at utopia, and to be the best, one pours a lot of time into their one province. It is a sense of pride, nothing less, and a lot of time is spent maintaining their pride. Two provinces is extremely time consuming, and whilst a minority could handle it, the majority would abuse the legalisation. Utopia has a bad inactive problem as it is, once players realise they can only spend time on one province, the other one, and their kd will be neglected. You will see an unprecedented increase in inactives- mark my words- and the whole game of Utopia will be rubbish.
Neverynnal
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(20-Jun-2004 11:25 pm)
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Anyone who is in a decent kingdom knows how I feel. I don't want all these damn noobs filling up the BF server an wrecking the competitive atmosphere that goes on.

Also kingdoms will get less activity from players because of the 2 accounts to handle. Who wants to handle 2 accounts anways...too much work
Lunex
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(20-Jun-2004 11:56 pm)
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Instead of this, Mehul should make it so that kd's that get transferred to Bf from Wol and vice versa (If any)wont end up in the same kd, that will give them another thing to attend to, not only do they have to do the best they can, cause the difference is there, but they also have to learn to do it with a completely new team..
This is why I like Gen so much, because you can make the big alliances an all..

But still a BAD idea to allow an acc on both servers..
VantagePoint
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(21-Jun-2004 12:34 am)
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don't like it at all... right now my gen account is barely active (that may also have something to do with the kd i'm in) but the division is nice... although the bf server isn't as "elite" as people who play it think, yes i have played both, same kd got to 8 mil on bf and 5 mil on WoL (but we got decimated by inactives) but its a lot better the divisions between the 2. Genisis would just die out or the 2 servers would end up the same. If it's about empty spot just get rid of a couple islands and use the genisis no island attack time thing...
SoulSeer
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(21-Jun-2004 12:44 am)
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Bad idea.....

BF would remain competitive for experienced players and kingdoms while WoL would begin to turn the opposite as new super kingdoms would emerge especially through the BF's top alliances. Then the new super kingdoms that would emerge on WoL would be so dominate, i.e. an alliance would gather thier best players into a single kingdom, that it would force newer players onto the BF server and lower the competiveness thier as well. After a small amount of time both servers competitveness would be severely damaged.
Whydidilose
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(21-Jun-2004 01:15 am)
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Allowing 2 accounts is too time consuming. The system is already screwed up enough as is.

At the end an age, KD's shouldnt have an option to switch into a new server. All of the top NW and Honor KDs in WoL should be automatically moved into BF for the next age. KDs that do bad on the BF server should then automatically be moved to WoL. The number of BF KDs should be capped (if it isnt already). And the best from WoL should swap into there each round.
caejis
(Posted as Caejis)
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(21-Jun-2004 01:27 am)
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The whole idea is nuts. It would have both advantages and disadvantages, of course, but would there be enough reason to move it?

If the newbies had better access to the better players, even if they get stomped on, they'll get better. If you played basketball against michal jordan for a year, you'd be a heck of a lot better than when you started, even if you didn't ever win, but if you played against a child for a year, you'd come out worse, even though you always won.
But then again, if they get stomped too much, they'll whine and cry, and either fill up the forums with their sob stories, quit, or do both.
Most would probably just quit, though.
Fooshards
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(21-Jun-2004 01:42 am)
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What this means is that the servers are being emptied and utopia is dying.

Originally BF and WoL were seperated because 1 server wasn't enough.

Now he's basically saying one server is enough for all of utopia's players... and now he has 2 primarys. (3 if u count gen)
SilentStep
(Posted as ras101)
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(21-Jun-2004 01:55 am)
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sweet idea and mabe along the line we could try inta server wars :)
Crusades
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(21-Jun-2004 02:13 am)
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it would work actually but spending time with 2 provinces is too consuming since many of us dont have time to look after 2 let alone 1 in high ranked kingdoms
NeoDeGenero
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(21-Jun-2004 02:30 am)
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so where would the competitivness of BF go?
and how about alliance formations?
most alliances prepare their forces on WoL before movign to BF
devlp1213
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(21-Jun-2004 03:03 am)
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yes i think its a good idea...
soyadude82
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(21-Jun-2004 04:11 am)
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What will happen to kingdoms established on WoL and looking for a challenge on BF? don't like the permanent home idea.
The Hun
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(21-Jun-2004 04:29 am)
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Lol, who told any of you that you're required to have 2 or 3 accounts if Mehul permits an account on each server?

If you haven't got the time to shuffle more than one accounts then don't create more than one;)

I don't see a problem with the idea, however, I like the idea about merging the two servers the best.
HaLL of Eric
(Posted as SWE Viking)
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(21-Jun-2004 04:46 am)
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I dont like that noobs are comming to BF =(
Chillfrost
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(21-Jun-2004 04:49 am)
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love it! great idea! this way i could stay with my KD that just got moved to WoL, whilst also playing in my old BF KD (not by trading in, just creating and deleting until i land there).

as my brother (BB) said at the start of this discussion, it would stop lots of accidental deletions (such as have happened to me and him several times)
neber
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(21-Jun-2004 05:34 am)
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Sounds good. But can we like make this change on one or two ages and see whats the results of it. If its no good then just change it back to the way it was before like now. :D
The Mordor
(Posted as Metatrone)
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(21-Jun-2004 06:23 am)
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Terrible idea, which will make the game loose much of its charm.

And not to mention, just imagne how much the influence of alliance would be increased if they can have basically equal membership on both server. I support that the alliance-community, but this would be going to far.
moise
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(21-Jun-2004 06:42 am)
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nice ideea
Blink Penguin
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(21-Jun-2004 07:12 am)
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No, bad idea. Two accounts is too much to manage properly for most people, and the trasfer system is good.
Tahngarth
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(21-Jun-2004 07:26 am)
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If you open this up, then we will end up having traded kd's on the top on both servers. So the servers will end up becoming exactly the same.

Besides... By stopping the transfers of kd's each age you won't get a bonus for doing good on WoL, and you don't have to worry about being sent to WoL for doing bad on BF.
Lord Brian
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(21-Jun-2004 08:24 am)
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i don't like it i think there would be people attending to one account more than the other i built my kd up from a ghetto 4 mil kd up to a 10 mil kd and i'd hate to have some of my expierenced players delete just because they may be having a tougher time in my kd than in their WoL kd and inactives would be everywhere.... definatly a bad idea
Dernier Romain
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(21-Jun-2004 08:55 am)
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Since it will be 2 servers for basically same purpose.

Why dont use one to allow what so much people really dream : allow trade of spot ?
Or one much faster for hyper-active players ( log more than 3 a day) ?
BangGang IHJ
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(21-Jun-2004 09:35 am)
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lessens deletions... but the BF competitiveness drops. :P only thing good for it is the for siblings/roomates who play...
tommytky
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(21-Jun-2004 10:43 am)
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Yes, totally agree it. it would be better.
jcasner
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(21-Jun-2004 12:05 pm)
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Worst idea ever. And this has nothing to do with activity really - as someone mentioned, just because two accounts are allowed doesn't mean that they are required.

I have no desire to see a bunch of noobs jump into the BF server. It ruins the competition and kills the fun. Quite frankly, I dont think you should be allowed to create a BF account. Any prov that can break .5 Mil on WoL should be allowed the option of transferring into BF on their own, and any KD above a certain level should be transferred to BF, with the weak KDs from BF transferred back to WoL. This will keep competitition high on BF, and keep WoL a good learning environment.
DarkAngels
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(21-Jun-2004 12:48 pm)
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I like Jcasner.I like it very much.That way BF will become the finnal goal.
A server were not every nOOB can reach.
KN1GHTH4WK
(Posted as Nighthawk IHJ)
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(21-Jun-2004 01:06 pm)
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We want to play on both servers!
We hate KD transfers!
Mehul is awesome!
~~~

Only two of those were true..... I wonder which one wasn't? ;-)
Lunex
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(21-Jun-2004 01:29 pm)
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Yea, all of you saying we dont want 2 acc's, cause we dont have time... STOP POSTING and start reading instead, listen to what Jcasner is saying, drop the 2 server ideas, and make it so that people can ONLY create on WoL, make them earn their way in to Bf instead..
And for thoose saying that Bf is really not that hard, maybe not, but if Mehul follows Jcasner's idea, it wil be the "UBER" server and WoL will be the learning ground for MANY..
Lunex
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(21-Jun-2004 01:29 pm)
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Ohh and Nighthawk IHJ, what do you have against Mehul :)
Artist
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(21-Jun-2004 02:21 pm)
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That would be very stupid, not to be able to change! The game will be less interesting with the same KD's compeeting on same server and not to be able to change!
Andrew1
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(21-Jun-2004 03:44 pm)
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Shounds like a great idea!
Snuffelbug
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(21-Jun-2004 05:09 pm)
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Bad idea to me ...
I agree with the opinion that it will make Battlefields less comptetive.
Dead Canaanite
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(21-Jun-2004 05:24 pm)
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Jcasner, that is an excellent idea.
bossuk
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(21-Jun-2004 05:54 pm)
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I think it is abad idea.

I like the idea of being promoted to a new server, plus it keeps the really good players on 1 server and the newbies can keep to the WOL server.
Derrom
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(21-Jun-2004 05:58 pm)
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I think it's a very bad idea. There is already a way to have 2 account: Genesis, aint that enought?

I think this is only a teporary thing, I belive the number of players will increase again.

I think this will only strengthen alliances & multis, & I don't think any of them is good.
Derrom
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(21-Jun-2004 05:58 pm)
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I think the option to chose server is enought, I don't even think realy big kd's should have it, I think it only should be for the middle kd's. I think BF should be for the big kd's & WoL for the smaller.

Imagin the thought of having all kd's from HALL, absolam, HaJ etc etc on the same server :S
The way it is now, they all can't be on the same server because they can't decide, but if they could chose where to be, the game would become one big alliance competition, & whats the fun about that?
fionavara
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(21-Jun-2004 06:40 pm)
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wassonv
(Posted as Vance OA)
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(21-Jun-2004 07:35 pm)
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I think the current method implemented at the end of the Age of Glory is sufficient.

However, I also believe that the top performing kingdoms should go to BF and the poorest performers should go to WoL. Those in between should be allowed to choose. Just weight the choice with the kingdoms performance. The better the kingdom, the higher the chances of staying on BF or being transferred to BF.

Me thinks y'all git my drift.
GwymWeepa
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(21-Jun-2004 07:51 pm)
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F it, make a fourth server, all the absolute most competitive BF performers have an option to go there if they perform to a certain level :P
Drago Griffin
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(21-Jun-2004 08:23 pm)
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Absolutely horrendously bad and horrible idea.

Scrap it Mehul!!!
AMP
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(21-Jun-2004 09:00 pm)
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I think its good, since many already do that. Though im not sure about kds not moving around anymore. Of course it would need to be something like that, but hey, how to judge those that have to stay in WoL for ever?
DuffMan1
(Posted as im special)
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(21-Jun-2004 09:07 pm)
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this has to be the dumbest idea ever.... y dont they just then just have one big server!!!
sticker2
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(21-Jun-2004 10:24 pm)
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Lolz...
That would be the COOLEST thing ever..
Lolz.
i always wanted to do multi's..
What's wrong with it??
swordmar
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(21-Jun-2004 10:44 pm)
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heres an idea then, rather than allowing one account on all servers or merging the WOL and BF server, why not allow KD's on GEN to stay together, whilst retaining it as an experimental server... this should placate everyone who wants more game play but in KD team environment, and placate those on the BF afraid of the invasion of the nOObs.
Dead Canaanite
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(21-Jun-2004 10:52 pm)
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swordmar is making sense... another good alternative.
Steed
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(22-Jun-2004 12:35 am)
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I dont think they should open BF to anyone, i think that people should be allowed to play on both wol and bf.. but only people that qualified to BF should be allowed... eg, if you get moved then u can make an account in wol too..
As a monarch i dont like noobs who make accounts and then go innactive. Also, i wouldnt mind seeing gen kd's stick together.. every age i get newbies and innactives... if they stuck together we could train them up and weezel the innactives out.
Steed
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(22-Jun-2004 12:37 am)
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Oh, i think that the best in wol should be moved up to BF and the shit kd's in BF should get moved to BF to keep things interesting- as it is now.
necrolad
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(22-Jun-2004 12:41 am)
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I agree with you Steed. Personaly I think its a stupid idea. Alliances will take advantage of this and what do you know? There will be twice as many alliance kds around!
Im not against alliances at all since I use to be part of NH when Jaco was still around, but I think in general it wouldnt benifit anyone.
What I mean by this is that people will create their 2 accounts and if one is gonig back they will just go inactive on it. What do you have then? An inactive lazy ass who doesnt care anymore because his/her prov is doing as well as the other. So therefore turnover rates will increase and it will be like having more newbs around.

I give this idea 2 thumbs down
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necrolad
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(22-Jun-2004 12:43 am)
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sorry guys,
CORRECTION
"...his/her prov ISNT doing as well"
Balin0r
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(22-Jun-2004 02:40 am)
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bad idea :

it's fine the way it is
ArchAlmighTy
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(22-Jun-2004 03:58 am)
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Personally I like the server-multis because I could test out different strategies for 2 different races.I am trying human/sage and elf/mystic this age.
Fury Solace
(Posted as Daorc)
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(22-Jun-2004 06:53 am)
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Bad idea.
Mopreme
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(22-Jun-2004 07:34 am)
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its very intresting that's for sure on the one hand its good, cause you can play more...! (the utopia addict would be glad).. but this is another thing that is good for the cheaters..

ehm the stay on each account can go horribly wrong, that will give you n00bs on each server as the small ones and alliances that prefer a server as the big guys... where's the fun in that?? the ones in the middle will suffer a lot...

i gave it a 5 cause i can't make up what i really want...
Crippled Angel
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(22-Jun-2004 08:40 am)
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I say go for it. If you cant handle running 2 accounts you dont have to. There may be a few more n00bs and inactives poping up but if you are a decent player you will be able to get rid of them just like you do now.
seth the nut
(Posted as Seth the Nut)
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(22-Jun-2004 09:01 am)
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Bad Idea ..... Testing on genessis , noobs on WoL and Pros on BF
viper41
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(22-Jun-2004 09:48 am)
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Bad idea, I like the fact that not so good KD's can go into wol, while good wol KD's can be put into battlefields. The option of having an account on each server would mean BF wouldn't be as competitive
Quietstorm
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(22-Jun-2004 10:23 am)
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I like it, very good idea :)
mark of iron
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(22-Jun-2004 11:14 am)
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Yeah this idea isnt so good
Shadow Storm
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(22-Jun-2004 11:26 am)
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I really like this idea. Hope Mehul can approve this, and also expand utopia. I mean more ppl on both servers, which is a good thing for the growth of swirve. ;)
ayoder17
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(22-Jun-2004 11:29 am)
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if you just keep gen kingdoms together, woudnl't that just be the same thing?
mike111
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(22-Jun-2004 11:53 am)
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I think it is a good idea in theory. But BF would eventually become exactly like WoL. BF is for 'elites', and WoL is for everyone else. How would you differentiate between the servers?
loki2001
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(22-Jun-2004 12:29 pm)
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<quote>Battlefields would also be opened up for new players wishing to join an established kingdom.<quote>

Does this mean you get to choose what kd you want to be in when joining on the bf server? If so Im all for the idea, it will make a lot of great kds, and will increase the level of play on bf. Plus it will do away with the advantage that cheater have with trading ppl into their kds. But thats only if I read that statement right.
MizunoKage
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(22-Jun-2004 12:39 pm)
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just a thought, how about adding that individual people/provinces could transfer form WoL to BF? not just the kd as a whole? we can see some or a few provinces, attaining acres/NW multiple times the sum of thier co-provinces? sometimes if not that, attaining honor more than the sum of the other kd members?
athonian
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(22-Jun-2004 01:37 pm)
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the problem is that all alliances will be on both kingdoms. smaller kingdoms will be flushed away. if there is a primary server adn then an alliance server like in earth than i would agree.
kazyv
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(22-Jun-2004 02:36 pm)
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ahem, has mehul posted it really, or is this a ut gag? i just cant find the thread...
land of despair
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(22-Jun-2004 04:49 pm)
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its a great idea
ghostlm2002
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(22-Jun-2004 04:49 pm)
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Definetly bad idea :
-it will ruin all the competion on BF
-activity will sufer on both servers because some of them may give yp on their other acount
-i like the way it is now !
-Don't let the beginners and n00bs get on battlefields so simple...i see a lot of new players ...getting in battlefields and having no ideea how to play...not even readed the guide !
-make the WOL as a training ground and preparing for the Ultimate chalange The Battlefields ! Don't let the Battlefields to get in so simple ! Those that reach at a certain honor number and networth e.g 6 mil can advance to Battlefields wiith their newly formed kd !
There will be a lot more competition !
Poll
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(22-Jun-2004 07:05 pm)
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great idea.but i don't like the permament home thingy.it would be boring if u only stay at home everytime.
cataliny
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(22-Jun-2004 09:01 pm)
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THAT IS CRAP, AND OFCOURSE A BAD IDEEA!!! ALL WHO THINK IS A GOOD IDEEA ARE NOOBS! WHERE WILL BE THE COMPETITION IN THE FUTURE AH? IN 2 SERVERS FULL OF NOOBS?

I'M ON WOL AT THIS MOMENT, WE WERE ON BF 2 AGES AGO, AND THIS NEW AGE WE DECIDE TO STAY ON WOL CUZ THE SUMMER HAS COMME AND LOTS PPL WILL BE PARTIAL INACTIVES (THEY WILL LOG ONLY1-2/DAY). WE PLAN TO MOVE ON BF. NEXT AGE AND TO PLAY THIS GAME SERIOUSLY WITH GREAT OPPONENTS.

DAMN, WHAT WAS BF. 4 AGES AGO AND LOOK AT HIM NOW... I DUN WANNA THINK IN THE FUTURE....
cataliny
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(22-Jun-2004 09:10 pm)
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ONE MORE THING;

JUST KEEP THE KD'S ON GENESIS, LIKE ON BF AND WOL, AND THE BEST KD'S WILL BE PROMOTED ON BF. U CAN DO SOMME CATEGORIES: BEST 3 HONOUR KD'S FROM WOL AND FIRST FROM GEN. TO BE PROMOTED ON BF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SAME FOR FIRSTS LAND AND NW. KD'S.

THE SOLUTIONS ARE ALOT, BUT THE BATTLEFIELD MUST REMAIN FOR ELITES!!!
xu shu
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(22-Jun-2004 10:22 pm)
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Im not voteing!!! untill you send me back to my kingdom!!!! you didnt send me no activation code and after asking for it 3 time you send it to me witch made me go to a different kingdom I dont think that was fair... If its possible to send me back please do it then ill vote:)
5h4d0w M45t3r
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(22-Jun-2004 11:00 pm)
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i think thats a terrible idea, whats the point, the whole point of two servers is that more advanced players can go play on BF while not having to deal with new players who go to WoL, bad idea...
J189
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(23-Jun-2004 12:29 am)
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That would end up making both servers identical, they should turn one of the servers into a server when you can choose your own kingdom, and build one with your friends
Utopian Devil
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(23-Jun-2004 01:25 am)
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I don't see why they can't allow accounts on both server and still transfer good kingdoms to BF and n00b kingdoms to WoL..
jedijaii
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(23-Jun-2004 02:25 am)
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this is a good thing.you all know that most bf players have a "multi" wol account anyway. i have noticed over the last 2 years more & more noobies in bf anyway. i liked the idea someone posted of kingdoms that do very well to be sent to a new server. that would be great! if anything we should try to get mehul to stop making changes to the game every new age. he doesnt do that to Earth. (so, ive been told). this idea has its good and bad points, but at least it shows us he's trying to find a happy medium for the on going problem of multi's. i dont see it as such if you have an account on both, doesnt help you any unless you get switched over and then youd have to be a big fool to keep both.
Wiley DAAwg
(Posted as Wiley Dawg)
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(23-Jun-2004 03:57 am)
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I like the idea. I have friends on both servers, and would like to play in their kingdoms. But Alas, I cannot now.

LETS DO IT !!! :)
Indigo Sky
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(23-Jun-2004 03:57 am)
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Nothing stops noobs from joining BF now so that is a dumb arguement.
ChenoaViS
(Posted as saura)
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(23-Jun-2004 04:37 am)
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Bad idea... What would Mehul do with all the time he would normally spend deleting multi's? Besides this is a WAR GAME... there needs to be some kind of challenge and the differences between WoL and BF make that possible.

And it would not be fair to allow people to join which ever KD they want, then all the best players would be in the same KD and new comers would never have a chance!
Ech
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(23-Jun-2004 05:12 am)
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if they had so much resources to spare, id like to see this implemented instead:

at every hour change, all kds from both BF and WoL are put in one list and then the top 50% of that list will go to BF the next hour and the bottom half goes to WoL.

as for the criterion, maybe wins, NW, Land, honor or whatever. im sure they can decide on that.

that way, all the SKs will surely be in BF and all the not-so-SKs will surely be in WoL.

As for relations under this setup, hostile and peace will be canceled if the other kd is in the other server and kd numbers will be shuffled every hour.
Ech
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(23-Jun-2004 05:12 am)
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(cont.)
those in war will be exempt from the segregation so that wars on kd on the boarders wont be abruptly stopped.

might also lessen the big boys from farming since their farms will most likely be on WoL kds, since farms dont usually last long in BF-quality kds.

whether multiple accounts are "fair" under this setup will probably have some new arguments than those given in this thread.

as for the login page, maybe they can just use one and direct you to the appropriate server automatically.

just sorting the kds and updating the papers with the correct kd numbers should eat up their excess resources if thats what they need to utilize. =P

might make a much more dynamic and interesting environment if you ask me.
dobro je
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(23-Jun-2004 05:54 am)
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it`s a good idea! lot`s of people play from the same PC, this move will help a lot.
Dead Canaanite
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(23-Jun-2004 08:07 am)
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Mehul should quit trying to fix something thats not broken, and concentrate on deleting the cheaters. Just let Gen KD's stay together.
counterx
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(23-Jun-2004 09:27 am)
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not a good idea sure it sounds nice to have and acc. on both servers but the game will mellow out too much not much excitement and too many n00bs.I say bad idea and yea let gen kd's stay together
B e G o n e
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(23-Jun-2004 11:20 am)
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In my opinion this is a great idea cuz:
1. you can then play on 3 servers (play more ;) :D) without the risk of deletion
2. it could prevent some mass ''accident'' deletions like with the swedish players
3. for some players (like me) its annoying i can't play on WoL becuz i get the risk of a deletion on both servers, and there are a few friends on WoL that want me in their kd but i don't wanna give up my BF kd :)

also @ madmaarten... you can test a race on gen altho gen is always behind WoL/BF updates you can still test there wich race would work best for you
ZeroSlayer
(Posted as zomma)
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(23-Jun-2004 02:46 pm)
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i support this change
bikerx105
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(23-Jun-2004 06:21 pm)
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i odnt like the idea that if your in a kingdom in wol, your stuck there and cant switch servers without leaving you kd. all thats gonna do is rip entire kingdoms apart, no one kingdom will ever be organised because player will want either less competiton or more.
greencheese
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(23-Jun-2004 09:39 pm)
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i only agree on one thing that was posted. that was quoted "get rid of the cheater's" How can people who dedicated alot of time and thought into there provence being the best they can be, when there faced with cheater's in the game. it upset's lot's of people. if you let everyone play in Both server's thoes people that try so hard to get in the higher rank's will just get beaten down by thoes cheater's who dont want anyone coming next to them and giveing them competition.
i can understand one thing, that is people do like playing with there friends, But that is not the games problem. you should not cheat to do this.
mrbryan
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(24-Jun-2004 03:11 am)
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im on bf..so there is no server transfering for me..I think having this rule would be good though..if you wanna be on bf..make a bf acc and defect till u land somewhere nice..if u don't..then delete and try again. don't be a jobber just because your a loser who sucks at utopia and isn't in a super kd..
Ketamine
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(24-Jun-2004 05:09 am)
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Good idea, but next age ALL kingdoms should be allowed to choose their "permanent home", and ALL requests should be heard.
rbe63
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(24-Jun-2004 08:53 am)
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no newbs on BF!
WonderBread
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(24-Jun-2004 07:45 pm)
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Just let everyone pick what kd they want to be in. Say goodbye to ghettos and hello to none cheating kds.....
PestilenceX
(Posted as Meriner)
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(24-Jun-2004 08:14 pm)
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hmmm I like the fact that the servers are differen't. Think BF should always be limited to some degree so that there is a different feel to that server that you don't get by making different rules for it. We already have gensis for the people who need two accoounts.
darkdaedra
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(25-Jun-2004 12:07 am)
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BF should be closed. This is a bad idea.
XandroS
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(25-Jun-2004 12:16 am)
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I agree...people would be able to play a T/M and an attacker at the same time, experience different tactics and have double the fun
nevin
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(25-Jun-2004 02:00 am)
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no more multi's ? impossible.
Killer of All
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(25-Jun-2004 12:19 pm)
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in some ways i agree with this but instead of this u might aswell have one big server. that would be fun because u can help ur other account.

but having two accounts on BF and WOL will make them basically one server so one wont be harder than the other.

if u want to accounts just make one in genesis!
titus73
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(25-Jun-2004 12:42 pm)
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I think is realy bad ideea.
Wol is a stage to prepare to enter in Bf.
Who want another acount-go to genesis.
3 is too much i believe:D
MadChess
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(25-Jun-2004 12:45 pm)
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that idea wuld practically empty the Genesis server, as people wuld prefere to stay on 2 active servers rather than on the genesis server and one server whit great activity. I think that the lords of utopia wuld have to increase the capacity on the Battelfield and World servers but also to decrease the capacity of the Genesis server to keep it from beeing filled whit half empty kingdoms. I hope such a chance wuld even up the activity levels on all the servers, if it is abel to do so I think it is a good idea.
Jimmy Gun
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(25-Jun-2004 06:35 pm)
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would be Sweet...To have 3 games going at once,there goes whats left of my free time lol.
Great Idea i wait with enticipation ;o)
Premier Leong
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(25-Jun-2004 06:57 pm)
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time for new news!
spacecricketkh
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(25-Jun-2004 08:51 pm)
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bad idea, because, like many have already said, it would fill BF with noobs. WoL and BF would eventually level out, and there would be no point to having them be separate.
218i
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(25-Jun-2004 11:09 pm)
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nice.. but i wish i could still play.. T_T
Big Y
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(25-Jun-2004 11:30 pm)
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I agree with chibiray though...it WOULD make the WoL server that much harder... that would suck for the n00bs
xXxCagexXx
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(26-Jun-2004 12:16 am)
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it would suck.

BF will be less competitive and you will be getting a whole lot of BF players testing out different combinations on WoL and deleting it after a week or two. Gen is already an example of this...how many times do u lose half ur kd 2 weeks after the start?

and i like the idea that ur kd can be moved from 1 server to the other. Infact it should be made harder..like u can only play on BF after a good age on WoL..
Lord Reyes
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(26-Jun-2004 05:56 am)
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it sucks!!
killkurt
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(26-Jun-2004 11:14 am)
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it would be better to keep it as it is.
south
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(26-Jun-2004 12:46 pm)
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I think that this is a VERY hard call to make since it would create many multi players that would enivitably lead to a homogenized game play.
Dreaming IMP
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(26-Jun-2004 06:26 pm)
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Don't like it. I like the shuffle from WOL to BF and back. It rewards good kingdoms and gives others a chance to rebuild on WOL instead of trying to do so in the uber competitive BF. BF would no longer be as competitive as it is right now.
wOOdRoW
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(26-Jun-2004 10:04 pm)
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this sucks..
mgp20
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(26-Jun-2004 10:46 pm)
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Well folks.. after reading all the posts.. I think we should leave it the way it is.
I must say that first I thought would be a great idea, but for the salvation of Utopia BF, for the end of cheaters and to let noobs to learn how to play this game, we should leave it the way it is.
I agree that BF would be rly less competetive, 'coz all noobs in WoL would like to take look of how BF is strong.. and believe me it's HELL strong.
PPL would become more and more inactive since the time to manage one single province rly well is overwelming..
Imagine 2 or 3 if u dare to get into Gen..
Unfortunatly I must say ('coz some was asking to me to be a King of a KD on WoL and I'm in BF)that we should leave it the way it is.
ksmit045
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(26-Jun-2004 10:57 pm)
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i think that if people want to play more then one account then let them. But to prevent BF from becomming all nOObs keep it as only being able to sign-up at the beginning thing. if your like me and are on BF but still want more then that let us play WoL as well. Gen is too disorganized but i still play both my accounts equally. I think that if I feel I can play fairly on all my accounts then let me. even if it does come into effect I do't think it is going to be a big thing. I mean Gen isn't
tyrakx85
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(27-Jun-2004 06:24 am)
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More n00bs on BF, more traded accounts on WoL, that idea really sux!!
hheader
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(27-Jun-2004 07:48 am)
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last news was posted a week ago! give me more...
SuT9k
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(27-Jun-2004 09:41 am)
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Naah, not smart!
RiChDuDe
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(28-Jun-2004 11:27 am)
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dun like teh idea...shud keep it the way it is now
ltnking
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(28-Jun-2004 08:58 pm)
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this is not good....this will make BF boring and EXTREMLY noobish....
Burak
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(29-Jun-2004 02:05 am)
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I think it would be dumb.. It would make Bf very noobish
aka X
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(29-Jun-2004 03:50 am)
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Ohh, I remember the past when my Kingdom used to look forward at being rewarded for doing well on WoL and getting promoted to BF. Then in BF, we had to keep our socks off to stay in BF. Now its simply everyone playing for individual honors or not really worried if we do well as a Kingdom anymore...


I believe that is what most posts will be like if the change is implemented after 2 or 3 ages. This relegation and promotion system is good enough to keep Kingdoms trying and working together for a common goal. Without it, things would be pretty pointless especially if the Kingdom can't shoot for highest honor or networth.
aka X
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(29-Jun-2004 03:54 am)
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Oops, I meant work our socks off lol.

Anyway, hindsight is a great thing to have. And in this case, I think the hindsight of this change can easily be predicted.
Ivy 00
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(29-Jun-2004 06:11 am)
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I don't like the idea of the servers ending up locked
barjim
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(29-Jun-2004 01:29 pm)
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playing on wol, bf and genesis at the same time can be cool but then it should be made impossible to run more then one account per server
retkam
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(30-Jun-2004 04:58 am)
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not a good idea:
1. it generates more server strain
2. it makes bf less competitive
3. it makes WoL more competitive (so it becomes a hell for a newbie like me)
4. it makes it impossible to change the difficulty level for kds
5. i dont think the pros in bf will like all the inactive players and n00bs coming to their kingdoms.
6. generally utopia becomes more uniform and i think that makes it less fun.
Kuyo
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(30-Jun-2004 11:03 pm)
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its fine the way it is.
ujgearhead
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(02-Jul-2004 04:27 am)
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I'm totally for it. I don't think it will make it will make WoL harder or BF easier. Any noob who tries BF will either get killed fast or be forced to learn fast. As far as causing WoL to be harder, c'mon, the "experts" from BF who want to, have had provs on both servers since day 1. I think this idea is being considered just to avoid complaints about deletions and to save time from having to delete in the first place.
Blackout
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(03-Jul-2004 09:58 am)
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ok, for starters I learned on BF... and I caught on fast enough. But I do say that the idea just creates more powerful KD's in WoL to prevent other KD's from ever being good.

I like the things the way they are now. Plus a WoL/BF and a Genesis should be enough for someone to man.
Dave1
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(03-Jul-2004 10:12 pm)
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BAD IDEA! Please don't do this crap. Make one account, and play serious with it. Keep newbs out of BF..
Dave1
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(03-Jul-2004 10:15 pm)
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I breifed through, and I am seeing almost equal bad/good comments. if anything more bad. Don't make the game bs
dorucoco
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(04-Jul-2004 03:47 am)
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Bad one.
The whole fun of the game is to build a strong kd on WoL to promote on BF and face the real stuff there. Or reverse: workin' hard to stay on BF.
WoL is full of noobs & farms, BF is already not feelin' good either from this point of view.
Multies must take their chances as they did so far: playin' smart and get away with it or playin' dumb, abusing, and get banned.
Leave it the way it is.
Luke S
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(04-Jul-2004 05:49 am)
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No thanks, I like it this way, one prov is enough, you can always play Genesis
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